Some Suggestions

[norman]

I think we should do a few things. And only these things.

1. Allow razor.

2. Allow dual clients.

3. Allow recalling everywhere except dungeons.

4. Safezone minoc mines/make it no damage, and not able to cast.


1. Shards today use razor. This is a new era of UO and quite frankly I don't see any reason why we should not be able to use it. This isn't real life, and I don't want to be told "life's not fair" so don't even think about using that argument. There's no point in macroing the hard way with uoap, and allowing razor will encourage pvp.

2. People want to be able to train multiple characters. Everyone wants this except for the staff, so I have no idea why its not being allowed. It inflates the player numbers and makes the shard more lively. The past arguments were that everyone will just be macroing. Well that's what they're going to be doing anyways. Staff doesn't constantly code for the server, and players don't constantly play.

3. I agreed with the no recalling at first, but after playing it a little, I don't really like it. Everyone basically has to stay in minoc, you can't fish and then run back to town, too heavy, you can't mine and then run back to town, and if you mine in town you will get pk'd. Using pack horses doesn't work, you mine/fish overnight and they just run away. Quite frankly, I don't want to run everywhere. I don't want to run to my house, and I don't want to run to the hunting spots. I like the idea not being able to instant recall away, so I would disable recalling in dungeons, and I would put the best spawns on lvl 2-3.

4. Crafters can't mine anywhere else because there is no recalling and they are heavy, so might as well make minoc mines safe zoned. People are going to say no I want to pk them. Well sorry but this just isn't going to work. I have already pk'd 2 crafters on this server and I'm just thinking, this is stupid. They stand no chance, its annoying and harassing.

Other then these changes, I like a somewhat restricted recalling system, I like the factions idea, I like not having any TOWN safe zones. People want zulu hotel, removing recalling is simply not allowing zulu hotel. I don't think you're going to get a player base large enough to be compatible or interesting with an entire map you can't recall on. People will identify with towns, because they had to spend ridiculous amounts of money to make them theirs, not because they are forced to stay in them.

I don't think the staff is going to like these ideas, but I think you are going to hear the players ask for these 4 ideas time and time again. So for the love of god, why don't you just listen to the players.

[Gannondorf]

Havent read all the deffinition but I totally agree. And about razor, all the best shards razor was allowed, if this is going to be the next top shard, I think we need razor.

Also about dual clients, atleast 2 clients per IP would be nice and would make the shard look more populated..

[lorth]

Allow Razor, no for anything else.

[norman]

The arguments for no recall is that it will force people to identity with their towns, and it will force people to come into confrontation with other people. Removing recalling on the entire map is a step to far.

There is absolute nothing a crafter can do to avoid being pk'd at this point. You cannot mine outside of town, it is unreasonable to ask them to run back into town with a night's worth of weight.

[Prometheus]

No for all of those. There's very good reasons why they are not allowed/scripted. If you absolutely must have them to enjoy playing UO, then this shard is not meant for you. I'll go into more detail if I get the time, I'm writing this from work.

edit: Granted for Razor, I've never tried to use it, so I don't understand it fully, but I mentioned UO Pilot in another thread, and that gives a perfect tool for macroing whilst still allowing you to use your mouse and the rest.

[lorth]

But you said you would zip your UO Pilot and I'm still waiting for it.

[lorth]

And I sent you a PM about the Tailor shop having no looms item, only statics. Plus there is only 1 tailor in Vesper and none in Minoc, how do you expect me to raise tailoring and/or having enough bandages for a night.

[Prometheus]

It must be tough, Lorth, I can't imagine. You'll get through it though, hang in there little buddy.

[abyss]

Im not going to lie to you ordos, as cool as all your idea's are on basic premise I can almost guarantee you will not be successful because enjoyment on your server is going to be far too frustrating and conditional, and unfortunatly you will still have assholes with injection/speedhack and without means to moderate (pol 095 being horribly outdated) that will spoil your fairplay environment.

not to mention forced client crasing and various other client mechanic exploits (ive seen people force item usage on my own character with my own pack.. ie making me use my bandages to heal blocking any other healing attempts).

Im not trying to piss on your parade so to speak but i think you may need to re-evaluate your current shard agenda. As history has shown us throughout the various UO private servers we have all played on, the more difficult it is, the less successful the shard is, the more annoyance and fairplay issues, the less likely your shard will be booming. We have all seen it. Not to mention the overwhelming fear of change the general ZH playerbase has...


No offenses intended but out of all the dickholes ive seen try to run uo shards, I'd have to say you have about the cleanest slate in my books and I respect your efforts. It would be a shame to have you lose interest out of discouragement as you do have some great revolutions to the system, I can imagine it will take years to refine your faction system as to be glitch and bug free (just look at how many times the guild system has been rewritten and the guild wars function has never worked properly).

Cheers

[Prometheus]

Actually I had kinda hoped that the new recalling system and other unique factors would discourage the usual ZH morons from joining and playing; everybody is better off without them as you said, and they'd be better off not even playing here in the first place. I don't have any malice towards those kinds of players really, but clearly this shard is not meant for them; they'd be happier not playing, and we'd probably be happier without them.

I'm less interested in the usual ZH crowd and more interested in appealing to first timers. I do have a trick up my sleeve which can serve as a last resort too.

The only thing that's tough for you guys is the time it's taking. I work full time and weekends are when I have the time to make things progress. Last weekend I made the website sexy, this weekend I'll improve something else. It's not easy on you guys who just want to launch.

I hope that my actions and dedication, and the things that have progressed so far, have begun to show you that you're part of a project that is worth investing your time and effort into. Rome wasn't built overnight

[norman]

Well, at least increase the guard radius so crafters can make a guards macro and mine overnight without being pk'd.

[lorth]

Sept 17, 2010 12:10:22 GMT Prometheus said:

It must be tough, Lorth, I can't imagine. You'll get through it though, hang in there little buddy.

haha thanks prometheus

[norman]

Promth you're not going to get any new comers unless you allow razor. They are going to input your IP and login info into Razor, see that it doesn't work and then move on. They're not even going to log in.

Plus, I don't understand why is UO pilot so similar to razor, why don't we just use razor.


By not allowing recalling, you are driving the ZH crowd away, and so you say you want newbie crowd, but by not allowing razor, you are driving the newbie crowd away.